Do you have “screen apnea”? Former Microsoft executive Linda Stone coined this term around 2007 after noticing she’d developed an unhealthy habit while answering emails: She held her breath. On this episode, she tells host Manoush Zomorodi how she tested her friends and colleagues for screen apnea and what she has done since.

Then, Manoush talks to the bestselling author of Breath, science writer James Nestor, who explains how shallow breathing impacts our physical and mental health. He takes us through a simple exercise to “reset” our breath and relieve screen time stress.

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